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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby TwigV2 » Sat Oct 15, 2011 4:18 am

A lot more films are produced these days than there used to be, and generally there aren't enough stars to fill them. So a lot of unproven commodities are given starring roles in big films before they have anything to really show they COULD be a star. Lautner's the #3 lead in a bunch of hit films that would've been hit films no matter who starred in them. And that's just one example of many.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Carlito Brigante » Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:46 pm

Extreme Allah wrote:To be fair, Christian Bale is a different sort of thing. Sometimes I'll wonder how he got so much acting cred, and start to feel like he inexplicably had this virtuoso crown given to him just because he has the attitude and insanity that comes with genius. But then I'll watch the Machinist and just get more confused that the man who played that role also played the racist in Shaft and made that wretched Terminator thing.

I don't think Christian Bale is so much an example of "the right way to build a career" so much as he is an insane person who has talent and accidentally made those Batman movies that got way more credit from both camps than they deserved from either, and won the Bankable Star lottery.

I don't think it's fair to really say much about value of the practices of Hollywood's star-prospecting philosophy without understanding the larger numbers of how much they lose on a Taylor Lautner, how much they make on equivalent short-term successes, the adjusted opportunity costs neglecting longer-term development, etc. But I expect those people are a lot better at making money than I am, and are certainly not starry-eyed naives...if they are making a mistake there, I would bet it would air more to the side of cynicism, and an underestimation of the actual value and existence of "charisma." I am a pretty awful and cynical person, but even I admit that very rarely is there a Hollywood actor of that sort of level who doesn't have some kind of charisma beyond the importance of whatever people call "acting skill" or their assumption that it's all just a shallow beauty contest, which is not common amongst us mortals.

I can't speak to the overall system, but when a Josh Hartnett fails, I think it's mostly because he is not "likable." I don't know if they made money off of him or not, but I'm sure there are people they do make money off of right away.


Josh Harnett is usually considered the Charles Bronson of our era, which I think would be an excellent comparison if I didn't thought that Charles Bronson was a better actor. But the point is made. Josh Harnett is a respectable actor, but it's very unlikely he'll ever reach any higher than that. Frankly, I'd agree he's not even that good of an actor, but I wouldn't go so far as calling him a complete and utter failure.

The habit of going after non bankable actors to save money on big budget action movies is a practice that has been going on forever. Anybody remembers William Katt and Steve Guttenberg? That'll never change. The movies are crap, but the majority of them are usually modest hits at the box office. It's when the Liam Neeson ends up doing Battleship or Adrien Brody doing an idiotic Italian B movie that worries me. Do they actually think the movie could be a hit when they take the role? What's the mental processing there? Aside money?

Christian Bale has proven his acting skills once to many times starting with movies like American Psycho, Equilibrium and The Machinist. The guy may be a major asshole, but it's hard to question his dedication. When a Terminator sequel is considered to be a mere pet project for an actor, it really says a lot about where the guy stands. And finally there's The Fighter. This movie alone makes him an official inductee into the Hollywood acting elite. Of course, it never hurts a career when you make your acting debut in a Steven Spielberg movie.

Anyhow, my new celebrity crush is that chick from Adjustment Bureau.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby thevoid99 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:29 pm

That's a load of bullshit. Hartnett is never in the level of Charles Bronson acting-wise nor in being the badass.

How many great movies Hartnett was in that wasn't The Virgin Suicides?

And the woman you're crushing on is Emily Blunt.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Carlito Brigante » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:49 am

Cool, void, gimme Josh Harnett's career. I'll freaking take it. I'd have no trouble doing movies like Pearl Harbor and 40 Days of Night. I'm not the biggest fan of the guy, but there are far worst actors out there. I wouldn't downgrade him to Paris Hilton bad. He's just an average actor. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby thevoid99 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:48 am

Then don't fucking compare him to Charles Bronson or any other old-school actor.

I don't think Hartnett is that bad. I'd rather see him act rather than Channing Tatum, Taylor Lautner, Shia LaBeouf, or any young asshole they're trying to pimp out.

Right now, I'm crushing on Ryan Gosling. He's my new man-crush now.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Dazza » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:06 am

Christ, Shia has more personality in his pinkie than Josh has in his entire body. Hell, I think even Tatum is probably more of a presence on screen. I'll give you Lautner though :D
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Carlito Brigante » Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:29 pm

I did heard Josh Harnett being called the Charles Bronson of our era on one of those shitty entertainment shows. I don't know why I would mention Charles Bronson of all actors out of the blue, but I simply thought it was an interesting comparison when I heard it. But I'm essentially in agreement. I wouldn't go as far as calling Bronson a movie icon, but I agree Harnett hasn't come remotely close to achieving anything like Death Wish or Valachi Papers. Fuck it. I take it back. I don't even know how the hell I ended up defending that shitty actor.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Extreme Allah » Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:42 pm

Dazza wrote:Christ, Shia has more personality in his pinkie than Josh has in his entire body. Hell, I think even Tatum is probably more of a presence on screen. I'll give you Lautner though :D


Channing Tatum makes Hartnett look like Jack Nicholson in terms of charisma. He also looks inbred...he could easily be the gay, beefy new member of Dog the Bounty Hunter's evangelical, racist methploitation squad. He is imo the most inexplicable would-be leading man of them all.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Extreme Allah » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:22 pm

Rachel wrote:I don't get Josh Hartnett or Channing Tatum. I've never been able to find either of them attractive at all. I'm not even going to comment on their acting (does Hartnett even act anymore?).


I understand how people can find Hartnett attractive, and can understand how people with sort of bland personality preferences would be into him. He has no personality, but neither do half the girls I find attractive. But Tatum looks like a Nickleback fan or something. You guys ever hear that rap-metal shit that somehow survived the last decade, but only in the trashiest inlands of SoCal? I picture that plays in the car on his way to Hollywood events, and then he like hurts small animals with weak firecrackers and laughs as a nightcap. I mean, look at his ears. He has Chapman ears.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby thevoid99 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:47 pm

Plus, at least when Hartnett does dialogue. I can understand what he's saying unlike Tatum who just mumbles every line he does.

When compared to LaBeouf, Hartnett is more believable because he doesn't look or act like some kid. Shia still looks like a kid and a very smug one. Have you seen him in Wall Street 2: Money Never Sleeps? God, he was awful. He was just excruciating to watch and he looked very awkward in the scenes he had with Michael Douglas. He was mis-cast but that was one of the problems of that movie which is truly one of the worst films I had ever seen.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby quick_wit » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:17 pm

I'd pick Hartnett over Tatum based on looks. As for the acting, I've seen him in Wicker Park and Pearl Harbor and he was okay in it (although I haven't watched him in anything else). On the other hand, I've seen Tatum on GI Joe and he was like a talking chalkboard. There was this one scene where he had to act out some emotion and it was awful. He was shouting something like "she's your sister!" and he has zero facial expression at all and his voice was trying hard to act and the whole time I was like, the director went with this?


Shia does have presence on screen but he seems to reek of douchiness off screen. Lautner? him i don't get. He has a pig snout. He also looks like a Llama. I'm not saying this because I don't like Twilight, I don't really get the hype. There are a lot of Hollywood actors who have abs that are more good looking.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Dazza » Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:46 pm

Tatum can muster some good quiet (the key word there) intensity at times. He's got zero charisma but I thought he was pretty badass in the opening of The Eagle. But really, I'd happily toss him, Lautner and Josh into a volcano. Shia on the other hand, I think he's got plenty of talent. But he seems to have a really shit eye for good projects.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby Extreme Allah » Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:17 pm

Dazza wrote:Shia on the other hand, I think he's got plenty of talent. But he seems to have a really shit eye for good projects.


See, to me, that's almost part of his charm. I feel like he is exactly what he wants to be. I think he loves Transformers and Indiana Jones, and while Even Stevens is the last thing he did that I didn't think was shit (I actually thought Battle of Shaker Heights was good and didn't get the hate tbh), but I just find him to be a happy, likable guy making dumb summer movies, just like he wants to do.

It probably just all comes back to the fact that he is likable, but something about the way he comes off to me seems like that's the case anyway.
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby thevoid99 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:58 pm

And Shia just got his ass kicked in Vancouver. I guess someone wanted their money back for the shit movies he's made.

I remember listening to an interview with Shia on Filmspotting. Man, that was one of the worst interviews I've heard because the smugness of his voice was just so evident that I could barely sit through it. It was terrible.

I do think he has talent. I liked him in The Greatest Game Ever Played but he hasn't done enough for me to really say, "oh, this guy is good".
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Re: Who's your new celebrity crush?

Postby TwigV2 » Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:43 pm

When he was getting beat up do you think he yelled out "BEE!"
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