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Postby JenR » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:41 am

i was recently told that the the new health care actually want people to die at age 60.
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Postby Spoonbat » Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:56 am

Apparently Nat's not the only one who's glad for the recession:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091030/lf_nm_life/us_money_survey

As for Beck, he's nutty but he does have good points on occasion. I'll agree it's not the govt.'s job to wetnurse us but at the same time the govt.'s job is to protect us on certain things.

After all -- should we not have an FBI? A military? Environmental and health regulations?

If there was no government oversight they could let food standards lax....imagine eating at Subway or McDonald's and they store your food in roach and rat infested storage areas.......without regulations they could do that and get away with it.

As for the current health plan I strongly oppose it, not because it's too strong but because it's just another corporate handout. It's similar to the car insurance law here in the US. It's the ultimate catch 22:

Well, sorry man, I lost my job, I can't afford health insurance.

Govt: Buy it or we fine you.

Sorry man, I told you, I'm broke, I can't even pay my phone bill for crying out loud.

Govt.: Give the health insurance company your money or we fine you.....

I favor what they have in Canada and Europe. Not that the health companies in this country would ever let them pass.....
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Postby buttsie » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:04 am

been that way for a long time Jenr...just looking from the outside...45/47 million uninsured...people driving to canada and back because its the cheap way to buy their life saving drugs....cost of medical services so high people simply choose to put up with the pain

That sounds like a recipe for people dieing well before 60

Thats all before Obama even begins his healthcare reforms

I dont agree with mandatory health insurance but at some point you need to fund the system

In Australia we have a medicare levy of 1.5% of your total wage over about AUS14,000...gives you access to public hospitals with no out of ocket expenses but elective surgery unless you go through the emergency department is a luxury you basically get in a queue an wait for your turn
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Postby buttsie » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:10 am

Rachel wrote:I heard that the Canadian government rounds up all of their senior citizens and puts them in death camps. Image


Their called nursing homes arent they?
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Postby buttsie » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:24 am

I agree and it shows how we value money more than anything else in society

This ideological position that everything must be paid for by the individual has serious consequences.

I'm all for medical people getting recompense for all the years of study but you've got to ask what kind of a society doesnt have a safety net for the vulnerable = the one thats dominated by corporations
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Postby robot » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:24 am

That is awful. IDK what you guys are going to end up with healthcare-wise, but whatever you currently have just isn't working.

Rachel wrote:I heard that the Canadian government rounds up all of their senior citizens and puts them in death camps. Image


That's a pretty harsh term for the warmer US states, you know.
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Postby Spoonbat » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:25 am

What's so funny about this is that my cousin lived in San Diego up until about 3 years ago when he moved back home. His employer actually offered their employees health coverage in Mexico at a cheaper rate. Meaning you cross the border and get health care down there.

My cousin took it and despite what you may hear on talk radio, many clinics down there are top rate and actually cater to American patients.

The doctors are top notch, often trained at American medical schools and are too pricey for most Mexicans but more than affordable for many Americans in the border areas.

People often forget Mexico has a nice middle class and plenty of freeways, McDonald's, Wal-Marts, and just about everything we have here.

Racism and false impressions about their health care system keep many Americans away. It's not the best in the world but many of Mexico's best nurses and doctors live up on the border to cash in on the cross-border business.

As crazy as it sounds I usually go to Vancouver for my treatment, assuming my employer based coverage won't cover the expense.

But I went down there once with him and was shocked to see how neat, clean the clinics were and how polite and professional the healthcare workers were.

You can't believe everything you hear or see on Fox News.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE57C40C20090813


http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20051016-9999-mz1b16mexico.html

http://www.newsweek.com/id/169827

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-08-31-mexico-health-care_N.htm
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Postby robot » Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:32 am

brb fleeing oppressive winter conditions
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Postby maverick88 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:39 pm

buttsie wrote:been that way for a long time Jenr...just looking from the outside...45/47 million uninsured...people driving to canada and back because its the cheap way to buy their life saving drugs....cost of medical services so high people simply choose to put up with the pain

That sounds like a recipe for people dieing well before 60

Thats all before Obama even begins his healthcare reforms

I dont agree with mandatory health insurance but at some point you need to fund the system


I agree, plus so called "death panels" already exist too, if the insurance company denies coverage for whatever reason you're screwed. I also disagree with the mandatory insurance, how are you supposed to pay for it if you don't have any money coming in.
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Postby Spoonbat » Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:14 pm

Never knew Danny Aiello(from Leon) was such a big Republican. A friend of mine sent this to me. Kind of surprised he's a Huckabee fan as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO-pwiVxbOM
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Postby maverick88 » Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:34 pm

Spoonbat wrote:Never knew Danny Aiello(from Leon) was such a big Republican. A friend of mine sent this to me. Kind of surprised he's a Huckabee fan as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO-pwiVxbOM


I didn't know that either, for some reason he seemed to be a more liberal type guy to me.
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Postby Spoonbat » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:59 pm

http://www.newsweek.com/id/226316/page/1

Jolie no buddy with Obama?
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Postby awise1 » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:56 pm

Rachel wrote:Health insurance is such a blatant scam.


So true!

The less they can justify not covering the more profit they make.
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Postby Huc » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:45 am

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch ... obama.html
The former Illinois governor tells Esquire: "It's such a cynical business, and most of the people in the business are full of s--- and phonies, but I was real, man — and am real. This guy, he was catapulted in on hope and change, what we hope the guy is. What the f---? Everything he's saying's on the teleprompter. I'm blacker than Barack Obama. I shined shoes. I grew up in a five-room apartment. My father had a little laundromat in a black community not far from where we lived. I saw it all growing up."


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http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/ ... index.html
The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."


One thing certain about politics - idiots and hypocrites are aplenty

Wonder if this was a Republican senator it would go so easy. Seems like Reid got some serious problem. Regardless of context, he needs to realize that using the word Negro is not a good thing in US.
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Postby Extreme Allah » Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:21 am

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Fail.
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